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Solus_the_Deadly · Dec 26, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Yes I justed wanted to know what people think is the Most useful and useless Dervish God Form.

For me i'd say Avatar of Melandru because of complete immunity to conditions, useful for so many situtions.

Useless? I'd have to say Grenth form due to the fact rending sweep + hex can remove alot more enchantments than a grenth form ever could.

Post if like you just PLEASE don't flame and spam..

Dragannia · Dec 26, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

Grenth's is overpowered. It makes targets impossible to prot, forcing people to resort to using good but limited skills like Gift of Health to keep someone alive. Not to mention skills like Dark Escape won't work because Dervishes frequently carry Wild Blow.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Dec 26, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

hmm I think most useless..wow, hard to decide, they all are very strong and synergize very well with whatever builds they use... I say they are all equal..

Servant of Kali · Dec 26, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Wow one more of these threads.

"Solus_the_Deadly
Join Date: Dec 2006"

New forum members shouldnt start creating threads as soon as they register. They should look around the forum a bit to see if perhaps, just perhaps, tons of people complained about Grenth being overpowered

Right now Lyssa is by far the least used avatar.

kuwlij · Dec 26, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

.. i never registered till i wanted to post..

my opinion is that it's hard to brand one "bad" and the other "good" because they all do different things. (for example grenth is best for pvp, bathazar is best for tank and running builds etc).
Imo:
PVP: grenth
PVE: bathazar or melandru (could not choose between the 2 their both good for it.

still need to cap dwayna and lyssa so i shouldn't even be posting here yet :-$

ensoriki · Dec 26, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

in terms of beating spell casters
Id say Lyssa, the +46 damage is evil...

Enchantments:grenth

hexes

wayna

Running:balthazar

Conditions: Melandu/dwayna

Im saying Balthazar is worst

you can get running speed from other sources while having melandu or Dwayna on

Add Fiegned neutrality if your doing a runner and your set

Best

Grenth is great against Monks, Dwayna beats n?me hexes

Lyssa pwns anything that is dazed

melandru is just...there

Lyssa/Dwayna and Grenth are the best

Skuld · Dec 26, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Dwayna, lol, dwayna, lol.

Melandru and Grenth on top :]

Muk Utep · Dec 26, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

For PvE:

1. Avatar of Balthazar - the effects are all great, fantastic tanking tool
2. Avatar of Melandru - would be number 1 if it didn't cost the dervish's entire base energy pool
3. Avatar of Dwayna - the life gain can be quite useful
4. Avatar of Grenth - constant enchant removal isn't overly useful in PvE
5. Avatar of Lyssa - not particularly good all in all

For PvP:

1. Avatar of Grenth - simply devastating, the enchant removal is frightening
2. Avatar of Melandru - synergizes amazingly with wearying strike, and the hp/condition immunity is always good
3. Avatar of Balthazar - I don't know... decent in RA?
4. Avatar of Lyssa - never seen it used in PvP (although the extra damage could be good)
5. Avatar of Dwayna - never seen it used in PvP

Edited to add:

Quote:

Useless? I'd have to say Grenth form due to the fact rending sweep + hex can remove alot more enchantments than a grenth form ever could.

Useless? First of all, it's the most commonly used avatar in PvP. Borderline overpowered, and capable of shutting down builds entirely. And how do you figure that Rending Sweep + hex can remove a lot more enchantments than Grenth?

To remove an echantment with Grenth, you must:
Be affected by Avatar of Grenth
Use an attack skill on your opponent

To remove an enchantment your way, you must:
Use an otherwise useless skill, with a recharge time, every time you want to remove an enchantment
Your opponent must be hexed. Are you going to be D/Me or something?

Quote:

Im saying Balthazar is worst

you can get running speed from other sources while having melandu or Dwayna on

Add Fiegned neutrality if your doing a runner and your set

Avatar of Balthazar isn't about the increased speed. It's fairly obvious that the main force of this skill comes from the unconditional, long-lasting +40 armor. Unless you judge skills simply by their value for a runner? Even if you did, wouldn't a runner benefit more from a +40armor/+33%speed that lasts over a minute, than from just about anything else?

gavin456 · Dec 26, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

simply all forms are good depending on the situation ur in and how u place ur char peace.

ensoriki · Dec 27, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muk Utep

For PvE:

1. Avatar of Balthazar - the effects are all great, fantastic tanking tool
D/E can tank better due to earth skills and NOt use an elite
2. Avatar of Melandru - would be number 1 if it didn't cost the dervish's entire base energy pool
3. Avatar of Dwayna - the life gain can be quite useful
4. Avatar of Grenth - constant enchant removal isn't overly useful in PvE
5. Avatar of Lyssa - not particularly good all in all
I disagree, its very effective against a spell caster with if you have an IAS
For PvP:

1. Avatar of Grenth - simply devastating, the enchant removal is frightening
2. Avatar of Melandru - synergizes amazingly with wearying strike, and the hp/condition immunity is always good
Except against a fragility mesmer....then pray theres no one conditioning you
3. Avatar of Balthazar - I don't know... decent in RA?
Not really, you have +40 armor, but theres alot better skills to get higher then +40 armor, and a sin using moebuis horns of the ox will keep you from running anyways
4. Avatar of Lyssa - never seen it used in PvP (although the extra damage could be good)
It can do just aswell as grenth for 2 reasons, if you have IAS and daze opponent casting spells (which theres alot of in pvp) is genocide
5. Avatar of Dwayna - never seen it used in PvP
Decent against N/mes

Edited to add:

Useless? First of all, it's the most commonly used avatar in PvP. Borderline overpowered, and capable of shutting down builds entirely. And how do you figure that Rending Sweep + hex can remove a lot more enchantments than Grenth?

To remove an echantment with Grenth, you must:
Be affected by Avatar of Grenth
Use an attack skill on your opponent

To remove an enchantment your way, you must:
Use an otherwise useless skill, with a recharge time, every time you want to remove an enchantment
Your opponent must be hexed. Are you going to be D/Me or something?

Avatar of Balthazar isn't about the increased speed. It's fairly obvious that the main force of this skill comes from the unconditional, long-lasting +40 armor. Unless you judge skills simply by their value for a runner? Even if you did, wouldn't a runner benefit more from a +40armor/+33%speed that lasts over a minute, than from just about anything else?

To bad there are better ways to get nice armor without Balthazar, and if your tanking taking damage is what you want so everyone else on your team can support and kill, your not running away -_-

but maybe im just crazy

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Dec 27, 2006, 04:32 AM // 04:32

dude, lol +40 armor is aesthetic.. that +40 armor is incredibly useful tanking, reducing a normally 200 damage attack to a manageable 50 or 60 damage, also in a PvE group the +33% run is great for running away in CASE the rest of your party goes down, then you can get away and come back and rez to prevent a party wipe.

ensoriki · Dec 27, 2006, 05:11 AM // 05:11

The way I see it , I rather keep the elite slot free, instead of balthazar

and if your D/A running isnt a issue cus you can shadow step

or D/E bring earth armor and conviction ( make earth armor cover all enchants)

when your ready to run pious assult and run -_- but thats just me

crucifix · Dec 27, 2006, 07:03 AM // 07:03

Lyssa: probably the best form next to mealndru and grenth. grenth is like having a constant OoA that never sacs life and doesn't cost 25 energy to use. Melandru: immunity to conditions...+200hp...have any of you ever even TRIED wearing strike with melandru? If you think its meh, go kill yourself. Lyssa on the other hand is possibly the most raping form I have ever seen. some things to know bout it:
-there is no damage conversion, you still deal phys damage. this means that if you have, oh, and orders nec(or an orders derv) backing yup up you hit even harder.
-each hit, on top of the damn near insta kill that is a scythe, you are going to deal so much damage to a target when activating a skill that if you crit with an attack like lyssas assault (just an example) then you will probably hit for 200+ damage in one shot.

as far as shit forms are concerned: dwaynas is not completely useless, just almost. It more or less comes down to it that there are simply better elites to use. balthazar is just complete shit in general, useless elite. who cares, +40 armor, +33% run buff. there is no use for this, especially in pve. why bother taking an elite that bad when you can use another elite that does something better (wounding strike for example) and enchants/ stances taht achieve the same thing that the form does. there just is no point.

Xethrion · Dec 27, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

I'd also like to mention, that Lyssa is particularly useful in the Realm of Torment.

Call to Torment anyone? 5 second activation skill + double damage + Avatar of Lyssa dmg + attack skill dmg = madness.

NinjaKai · Dec 27, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

Lyssa is definitely my most used avatar form. I mean considering that there is never a lack of spellcaster enemies in PvE. Fun being a D/Me in AB, makes killing groups of ele and such fun.

Skuld · Dec 27, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

[skill]avatar of lyssa[/skill] + [skill]Twin Moon Sweep[/skill] + [skill]protector's strike[/skill] ^^

getalifebud · Dec 27, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Protectors strike is a strength skill, so no use for dervishes. Wild blow would work well with lyssa, as it is a crit+lyssa damage. Lyssa would also combo well with those two quick activation scythe attacks, which I can't remember the names of off the top of my head.

gobla · Dec 27, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by getalifebud

Protectors strike is a strength skill, so no use for dervishes. Wild blow would work well with lyssa, as it is a crit+lyssa damage. Lyssa would also combo well with those two quick activation scythe attacks, which I can't remember the names of off the top of my head.

Look at the cast time.....

ensoriki · Dec 27, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Blah in the end
Melandru,lyssa,grenth = pvp awesomeness
Lyssa, melandru/possibly dwayna= pve awesomeness

How can you not use something that can give you a great damage boost, when pvp IS FULL of Eles Necros, Monks,mesmers,rits

Poor Lyssa -_-

Skuld · Dec 27, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

Bcos melandru's deep wound/anti blind and grenth's rending are more useful than bonus damage.